tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4021071358889997058.post9176242958778100439..comments2022-11-09T12:01:06.161+00:00Comments on Defending our Oceans: Marine Protected Areas ~ Pleasing both conservational and fishing perspectives.TheBotanicalCathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12411626193300997421noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4021071358889997058.post-46602371337063406372012-06-02T19:47:21.493+01:002012-06-02T19:47:21.493+01:00Aww jeeze!! I messed that up!!
See all three pa...Aww jeeze!! I messed that up!! <br /><br />See all three parts. This is part #1...<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXMheis4CkI&list=FLGGOpKKxogdTH2QYt0g9gMg&index=21&feature=plpp_videoJeff Crumleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491856187243956748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4021071358889997058.post-72585490874270836392012-06-02T19:42:11.949+01:002012-06-02T19:42:11.949+01:00Part 1 of 3 (see all three)
http://www.washington....Part 1 of 3 (see all three)<br />http://www.washington.edu/news/archive/id/61131<br /><br />Food for Thought...<br />http://www.washington.edu/news/archive/id/61131<br /><br />Your starting to see the complex nature of fishery management. Over management, or draconian enforcement doesn't work in any subject. It only creates division and resentment. The key is education. Poverty & greed are the motivators of poaching/overfishing (and, I use the word overfishing reluctantly).<br /><br />The line between science and politics must be well defined. It has become blurred.<br /> http://www.joinrfa.org/Press/OVERFISHING_TermOfArt.pdf<br /><br />Best of luck on your future, Rachel. Stay free thinking and and seek a balance in all the rhetoric you'll swim through. <br />JeffJeff Crumleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491856187243956748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4021071358889997058.post-14058868073652106612012-05-31T14:13:07.005+01:002012-05-31T14:13:07.005+01:00Hi again Jeff,
Thank you very much for your reply...Hi again Jeff,<br /><br />Thank you very much for your reply - I'm flattered! I know I'm only young and have a long way to go before I can actually make a difference, but I'm just sick of the system how it is now. <br /><br />That's quite an interesting situation that you have in Cali - I'm quite oblivious to what is going on over the pond (not ignorant, just not aware of) so it's nice to hear from another perspective etc. What has happened with the reserves?<br /><br />I actually registered Ray at the Fisheries Congress, I was a little embarrassed because I needed to direct him to another desk... He was a lovely man though! Very down to earth, and I really did enjoy his talk. <br /><br />Hope you're well! I'm enjoying a well deserved day (or afternoon) off from the rather hectic week of exams.<br /><br />RachelTheBotanicalCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12411626193300997421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4021071358889997058.post-37688215852408401092012-05-29T10:09:32.989+01:002012-05-29T10:09:32.989+01:00Exactly, we need to up the monitoring, control and...Exactly, we need to up the monitoring, control and surveillance of states that implement NTZ and ensure that people are abiding by the rules. Unfortunately, you'll always get those that do poach within the boundaries. IUU fishing really aggravates me (I did a group seminar with my course-mates on the management of IUU fishing), but then in a lot of cases... Why shouldn't they? The punishment NEVER matches the crime. Take the Scottish fish scam... They were collectively fined £1 million (in the region of, anyway) and I think they had to pay back 'a little' of their profits, but it was still a £63 million scam. How they think that such a small penalty can act as a deterrent I do not know. Off-topic but still relatable right? <br /><br />You can't force people to comply, of course you can't, but you can educate them and make them aware of the consequences if they don't comply, or up your prosecutions, give more people/wardens the power to prosecute and hope for the best.<br /><br />Every little helps!TheBotanicalCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12411626193300997421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4021071358889997058.post-37159012952243607372012-05-28T18:00:03.640+01:002012-05-28T18:00:03.640+01:00And all of this assumes that the designed reserves...And all of this assumes that the designed reserves are effectively and actively managed... Without active management and enforcement, there is no way to be sure that the reserve is no-take in reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4021071358889997058.post-68265594265853320852012-05-28T17:36:37.886+01:002012-05-28T17:36:37.886+01:00Wow, your the kind of marine biologist we need out...Wow, your the kind of marine biologist we need out there. If you can keep your mind thinking for yourself, you'll be up there next to Ray. <br /><br />I checked your profile before I responded the first time. I was actually testing you, or should I say, your professor. <br /><br />We have a unique ecosystem here in California; a unique political system, too. For obvious reasons, science, politics and religion must be kept on their own plates. This line is getting blurred in fishery management and brings out guys like me. LOL. <br /><br />We've just implemented a new marine reserve system here. It's a mess, 163 existing reserves (state & federal) were converted into a 'chain' of reserves, preparing for the national ocean policy and spacial planning. We also have regulations on marine mammals (otters) involving the endangered species act and MMPA.<br /><br />This is where things get sticky. There is an entire war going on and I'm in the middle of it. Some ENGO's are polluting sound science and facilitating junk science. You'll prob see or hear about this, if you haven't already.<br /><br />Most of the fishermen in Ca. are well educated on their subject - that we study during foul weather and closed days. I'm very reactionary due to the flawed process and some of our biologists contradicting themselves. Only to find out later, where their grants originated. (I, too can ramble;) )<br /><br />Ray Hilborn is very approachable. Our guys work with him all the time. He even did a paper for us. The dude's incredibly grounded and balanced. <br /><br /> I'll go find some stuff and post it later in the week. My wife is hounding me to get off the machine. (Holiday) <br /><br />I'm very impressed with your response and I hope you keep your own mind and direction. Hilborn would be proud of you. <br /><br />Best regards, Jeff.Jeff Crumleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491856187243956748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4021071358889997058.post-90879343618661637842012-05-28T06:29:57.612+01:002012-05-28T06:29:57.612+01:00Hi Jeff,
Forgive my brief reply - I've got mys...Hi Jeff,<br />Forgive my brief reply - I've got myself up a little earlier than norm to cram before the exam. Reading over my post I agree with you 100%, I've kind of approached the subject through rose-tinted glasses and not really focused on managing fishing activity per se, just the placement of marine reserves which, as we all know, without effective management and legislative backing is deemed ineffective - a 'paper park'.<br /><br />Hilborn is a legend and I really do need to read his paper on this. I actually attended the 6th World Fisheries Congress in Edinburgh (May) as a volunteer and I managed to listen to one of his lectures. It was regarding the importance of using fish as our main protein source and it is the only way we will feed the ever-increasing population (etc, I didn't explain it very well...)<br /><br />Regarding the Cali reserves, is fishing activity solely concentrated at the borders and, by negating any spillover effect, are they essentially overfishing the borders still? I can't believe I didn't mention it in the article that the spillover of adult/juvenile recruits does largely depend on the external conditions also. For example, if the habitat outside of the reserve boundary is seriously impoverished or modified by human activity then these reserves act as habitat islands (within a highly modified habitat matrix)... If the borders are being overfishing then the rate of extraction is still going to exceed migration out of the 'island' (Ah, MacArthur & Wilson's theory of island biogeography cropping up here).<br /><br />Okay, I've rambled (again). It should be my middle name for sure.<br /><br />Thank you very much for your insight, I really appreciate it and I'm sorry that my information came across as pretty narrow-minded. When I have more time I'll treat these posts as mini-projects and try to muster up as much information (from all sources) as I can. <br /><br />RachelTheBotanicalCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12411626193300997421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4021071358889997058.post-74959977496745899242012-05-28T05:28:25.456+01:002012-05-28T05:28:25.456+01:00Hi Rachel,
Good article. I'm sure you'll ...Hi Rachel, <br />Good article. I'm sure you'll do well with your exam. I can't help but notice though, your vision seems to be painted with a bit of a narrow brush. I expect this is due to bias/myopic influences of your professor. It's very critical to research data outside of the scope of your courses; explore what findings present from different sources. <br /><br />For example, it is a fact that protected areas are a benefit (logic). As you explore in your article here, there are a plethora of variables. It is found (here in California) that reserve size is irrelevant due to the variance in size and diversity of 'micro-systems.' Some ecosystems are measured in square feet while others in acres. When you bring fishermen into the equation (which have been for 100k yrs) we find that fishing pressure an the boarders of these reserves multiplies and negates any 'spillover'. Professor Ray Hilborn U.W. fisheries expert, explains this very comprehensively. What you end up with is an 'island' affect.<br /><br />It is also important to note the dynamic nature of the ocean. MPA's can become ineffective and obsolete in the sense that cycles create constant change and mpa's are inherently geared towards a static environment.<br /><br /> I'm glad to see young people pursuing their passion. But, to be effective in your future, you must explore outside of the box(your professor) you are studying in. I apologize for not having the cite to the Hilborn data I'm referring to, at hand. Best of luck on your test, you'll do great!! <br /><br /> I'm an urchin diver in California. I have many years of first hand observations of mpa's underwater and years of studying research on this subject.<br />Best, Jeff CrumleyJeff Crumleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491856187243956748noreply@blogger.com